[HPforGrownups] Re: MuggleNet - Godrics Hollow Theory. General vs Specific

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 163590

> Brothergib sited:
> A little bit of canon -
>
> "An immensely complex spell involving the magical concealment of a
> secret inside a single, living soul. The information is hidden inside
> the chosen person, or Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to
> find -- unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it"
> (PA10).
>
> "As long as the Secret-Keeper refused to speak, You-Know-Who could
> search the village where Lily and James were staying for years and
> never find them, not even if he had his nose pressed against their
> sitting room window!" (PA10)
>
> "When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or to put it
> another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the
> moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue
> to know the hidden information, but nobody else...
>
> And a couple of quotes from JKR -
>
> "In other words, a secret (e.g., the location of a family in hiding,
> like the Potters) is enchanted so that it is protected by a single
> Keeper (in our example, Peter Pettigrew, a.k.a. Wormtail).
> Thenceforth nobody else - not even the subjects of the secret
> themselves - can divulge the secret. Even if one of the Potters had
> been captured, force-fed Veritaserum or placed under the Imperius
> Curse, they would not have been able to give away the whereabouts of
> the other two. The only people who ever knew their precise location
> were those whom Wormtail had told directly, but none of them would
> have been able to pass on the information (JKR)."
>
> Brothergib commented;
> The first piece tends to suggest that the Secret Keeper can divulge
> the location to anyone and the secret will remain intact. I'm not
> sure it is a loyalty issue, but as it says it is a complex spell, I
> suppose it can't be discounted.

Kemper now:
I agree, and yet I also freely discount the loyalty of the Secret Keeper.

> Brothergib continued:
> The first quote proves that only the secret keeper can divulge the
> info i.e. DD could not tell anyone (even via a scrap of paper) unless
> PP had given him permission to do so.

Kemper now:
Yes, the Secret Keeper is the only one to tell anyone the Secret.  But
if writes the Secret on a scrap of paper, then he is telling the
Secret.  It doesn't matter that the Secret Keeper's intention is to
tell (via written form) the Secret only to a certain someone.  What
matters is that the Secret is being told; so if anyone reads the
Secret, they know the Secret.

If the Secret Keeper whispered the Secret to someone but a
eavesdropper overheard the Secret, then the eavesdropper would know
the Secret, too.

Even though this is a world of magic, I think JKR would use some of
the same aspects of Real Life to make the magic more believable... so
to speak.


> Brothergib continued (with Kemper doing some creative editing):
> MA: Was there anyone else present in Godric's Hollow the night
> Harry's parents were killed?
> JKR: No comment.
> ...
> What has always confused me is how anyone could find Harry! PP was
> still alive and therefore the Charm was still in place. Therefore
> noone would be able to find Harry in the rubble.
>
> [Brothergib's] theory -
> SS was with LV on that night, although he was not privvy to the
> secret (since LV could not tell him). SS was aware that something
> catastrophic has happened (after all the house is destroyed), and may
> even have found LV in the rubble - he wouldn't be able to find the
> Potters however. SS contacts DD. DD knows the Potters are there, but
> probably wasn't directly told by PP. Perhaps the missing 24h involved
> DD attempting to break through the Charm in an attempt to locate
> Harry/Lily/James.
>

Kemper now:
I really like the last part of your theory: the missing 24h being DD
breaking through the Fidelius Charm.  It solves two mysteries: the
missing 24h and being able to find HP (as JKR implies that he is the
subject of the Fidelius Charm along with his parents).

With JKR's 'no comment' statement, I would agree that Severus was
there but maybe without Voldermort's knowledge.  This may not be easy
to do, but with Voldemort focused on a bit of infanticide
(toddlericide?), I'm sure that Severus would have been successful at
trailing/tailing the Dark Lord.

I, like many others, also think that Peter as the rat, Wormtail, was
there as well, for how else could Voldemort been given back his wand
after his rebirth in the graveyard?

Severus would have thought Voldemort alone not giving notice to a rat
(in one of Voldie's robe pockets, maybe?)

Kemper