Why we'll get no further revelations that Snape is Really Evil (even if he i

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> wynnleaf
> I need to be clear about what I mean.  I don't mean that we, the
> readers, don't want to learn more about certain things.  Hey, 
there's
> loads of stuff that I want to learn and JKR may or may not cover 
it. 
> But whatever revelations JKR includes are to move the plot and/or
> change and shape character's opinions and actions.  Any supposed
> revelation that doesn't do that, isn't really a revelation, and 
with a
> huge book and a lot of things to cover, putting a lot of time into
> something that doesn't move the plot or drive or change characters 
is
> pretty much pointless.
> 
> There's no reason to change Harry's, or any other character's 
opinions
> about Snape for the *worse.*  Harry's and other character's 
opinions
> of Snape are already about as bad as they can get.

Alla:

I understood what you meant and in general in any other finished 
work I would have agreed with you. The point that I was trying to 
make is that  IMO we do not know what revelations will be the 
revelations and which ones are pointless filter.

Snape motivations remain a mystery in many senses whether Snape is 
good or evil, are they not? I do not see a reason why we will not 
learn Snape motivations if he is evil. I mean, we may of course.


Another example - say we learn that during prank night Snape wanted 
to kill Remus not just because he is a dark creature, but because he 
loved Lily and wanted to eliminate the competition. <g> Would it 
make Snape look worse? Sure - on one hand, on another hand it will 
make him more human and play to reveal in much speculated Snape/Lily 
angle.

That's my point - that what seems to you as only pointing to Snape 
being worse and worse an worse, may reveal something **else**, 
something we may need to learn in the story and not just as 
pointless filter.




> > Alla
> > They will serve to uncover Snape motives further - like Snape 
> > possibly delaying the Order in OOP may show that Snape is acting 
> > basically because of his life debt and nothing else, and 
especially 
> > if life debt plays  a role at the end, that may play out very 
nicely.
> 
> wynnleaf
> Sure, JKR could show that Snape is basically acting due to a life
> debt.  Is that *new*?  No, it's not.  Harry *already* knows that 
Snape
> considers himself to have a life debt to James.  This is not new 
and
> doesn't need a revelation all about how OOTP worked out to tell 
Harry
> the life debt exists.  The only reason to show more about Snape's
> motives is if it's going to make a difference to Harry.  Just 
showing
> Harry that Snape really is just as bad as Harry thought isn't 
making a
> difference.


Alla:

But we still do not know how Life debt works precisely, are we not? 
And JKR seems to leave it a mystery on purpose, no?

What if we learn that that night Snape was hit especially bad with 
Life debt magic and was forced to act eventually even if he did not 
want to? What if something like that happens in book 7? 
Foreshadowing and all that.

Speculations, speculations obviously 



> wynnleaf
<SNIP>
> Harry doesn't need to know anything further about Snape's motives
> unless Snape Harry's opinion of Snape needs to change in some 
way.  If
> Snape is just going to go on being evil and loyal to Voldemort, 
Harry
> doesn't need to learn more about Snape's psyche, because it won't
> change Harry's actions if it just confirms what Harry already 
thinks.


Alla:

Snape is not the only character Harry needs to learn about  IMO. 
What if whatever he learns during Prank helps him understand James 
even better? Hero journey, becoming own father and all that stuff. 
Sorry, just watched that cool documentary on Star Wars and Hero 
Journey <g>

As I said, I think that whatever we learn about Prank will be huge - 
I agree book 7 has a lot of info to cover and why we need to learn 
more about it, I have no clue now, but I sure am going to try to 
guess while I still can :)


JMO.

Alla