Neither Harry nor his Scar is a Horcrux (Was Re: Voldemort's Age)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 170259

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...> wrote:

> 
> When, towards the end of his days, Dumbledore frankly told 
> Harry all he knew about LV's Horcruxes there was not even a 
> minor hint that Dumbledore had any other Horcrux other than 
> the Cup, the Locket, Nagini and something of Gryffindor's or 
> Ravenclaw's in mind.

Pippin:
Harry himself is something of Gryffindor's, because he was
chosen by Gryffindor's brain for Gryffindor's House, and is
a true Gryffindor, not by blood but by choice. 


Goddlefrood:
> At that point in the story in HBP Dumbeldore was beyond 
> hiding information from Harry relative to Horcruxes and 
> if he suspected Harry or his scar could be a Horcrux he 
> would certainly, IMO, have mentioned this and not only 
> made a vague allusion to it by showing that a living being 
> could be a Horcrux. At least that's my story.
> 
> Despite Dumbledore admitting flaws, if he suspected for a 
> moment that Harry's scar was a horcrux he would either have 
> told Harry or made some effort to neutralise the Horcrux 
> in Harry, were it still there.

Pippin:
Unless he thought it could be useful. He said as much in PS/SS. 
"Even if I could, I wouldn't. Scars can come in useful. I have
one myself above my left knee which is a perfect map of
the London Underground."

Now it might seem that Harry's scar has outlived its usefulness,
since Voldemort knows he can use occlumency to keep it from 
giving him away.  But I think Dumbledore's little joke might
be a clue to another way in which Harry's scar might be useful
if it is indeed a horcrux. It could be a map to where Voldemort
is hiding. 

 
Snape says that Bella is familiar with the magic that hides
the Order's headquarters. We are reminded in The Other 
Minister that both sides have similar magical capabilities. 
Isn't it likely that Voldemort is secret keeper for the Death
Eaters just as Dumbledore was secret keeper for the Order?

And where is the Secret Keeper's secret hidden? 
Why, in the *soul* of the Secret Keeper. What
if on the night he gave Harry that scar, Voldemort
transferred not only his powers but his secrets to Harry?

Harry would not know this yet, because Just as Harry had to 
concentrate on the secret of Grimmauld Place in order to make 
it become visible, he might have to concentrate on the secret of 
Voldemort's headquarters in order to become aware of it. It
would be a little like  finding the Room of Requirement. 

Of course Dumbledore would not want him to know just yet,
because if Voldemort became aware that his hq was
compromised through the horcruxes he would hide it
in another fashion, and Harry's task would become far harder.

Was Dumbledore still keeping things back? I believe so. 
There are two kinds of information he indicates he may
continue to reserve: things which do not directly concern 
Harry, and things about which he is not entirely certain. 

Dumbledore is always cagey when speaking about
Harry's scar and about the connection. He says things like,
"I believe" and "Unless I'm mistaken" and we ought to know 
what that means by now -- it's  a big red flag that he's 
keeping something important to himself. 

Goddlefrood:
> One problem I do see with the whole Horcrux business is that 
> LV does not seem to be someone who would stop at only six 
> created Horcruxes, notwithstanding his belief in the power 
> of the number 7.

Pippin:
Voldemort, unaware that Harry or the scar is one of his 
horcruxes, might well have weakened himself by creating another. 
This would be another reason for Dumbledore to keep the Harry/scar
horcrux as secret as possible, because once Voldemort realized
he'd forfeited the power of seven he might well settle for making
as many horcruxes as he could. 

Goddlefrood:
> 
> If Harry or his scar were ever a Horcrux I also think that 
> he or it no longer could be one because in POA when the 
> multitudinous Dementors are swarming around he, Sirius and 
> Hermione it is quite likely that the Dementor who kissed 
> Harry successfully removed the piece of LV's soul in Harry 
> or his scar.

Pippin:
I take it you're speculating that the dementors in PoA did
have time to suck out Harry's soul but took Voldemort's
soul fragment instead?  I think JKR would have had to
put more emphasis on it -- show us some change that
took place in Harry on account of this. As the dementors
are blind, they wouldn't be able to see Harry's scar, so
even if they sensed Voldemort's soul fragment hanging
about Harry, they wouldn't know it wasn't in the usual
place. 

 One thing I have wondered about -- aside
from Harry,  the dementors seem especially attracted to the 
souls of the wicked, and this seems odd if what they feed 
on is happiness. Of course the last we saw of Barty Jr,
he was insanely happy. Still, why was the dementor so
swift to consume his soul?

Maybe to a dementor a human soul is like a yummy
kernel surrounded by an edible but less tasty shell of happy
memories? With a wicked person there are fewer happy 
memories and they can get at the soul more easily. Just
speculating, of course. 

Pippin