Werewolves and RL equivalents

[lizzyben04]

No: HPFGUIDX 170472

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sistermagpie"
<sistermagpie at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Magpie:  
> > > Of the three I have no problem saying that Snape is DDM, Hagrid 
> is 
> > > DDM and Lupin is his own man--and Sirius is Harry and James' 
> man. 
> > > He's not on the same level as Snape or Hagrid in Dumbledore's >
world 
> > > either. The Marauders are not centered around Dumbledore. Hagrid
> > > and Snape (if he's DDM Snape) are, despite their personal 
> issues. 
<snip>
> Ironically, I almost used the word "dependent" and didn't because I 
> thought it almost might be too close to the truth, but I agree with 
> it. It's not about sharing information, I don't think, but just that 
> Snape and Hagrid are Dumbledore-centered and dependent. Of all the 
> characters in canon they seem like the two that absolutely are most 
> dependent on Dumbledore--they know it....
> Placing trust in these two despite their many flaws seems kind of 
> important to who Dumbledore is. He doesn't have the same 
> relationship with Lupin. He's not one of Dumbledore's projects. 
> Which I kind of love--because honestly I think Lupin *could have 
> been* one of his projects but is so good at bucking it.

lizzyben:

Honestly? I sort of love Lupin for this too. Lupin's smart, and he's
also very insightful about other people's feelings. I think he's
known, for a long time, that DD doesn't treat people right. He's seen
how DD ropes people in with a big favor so they'll owe him from then
on out (Snape, Hagrid), or will manipulate people's feelings until
they'll do anything DD wants (Harry). He's seen what's involved in
being "Dumbledore's Man", and he wants no part of it. He must have
seen DD following the same "protege" pattern w/him: DD offering Lupin
the carrot (education, Wolfsbane potion) or the stick
(expulsion, no potion) based on how loyal Lupin is. And Lupin knows he
should reach for the carrot, but can't help going for the stick, every
time. Yes, he loses the social standing & security DD promised,
but he gains his independence & freedom. This is why I consider Lupin
almost courageous in his passive-aggressiveness. He's the only one,
besides Sirius, who really rebels against DD's way of operating. He
manages to escape from DD's mind games. And God knows, someone needs
to rebel against DD, because the man's a manipulative monster. 

DD seems to view most of his followers as pawns to be used, or
sacrificed, in his grand game of Wizard's Chess. This is why the
phrase "Dumbledore's Man" makes me gag a little. Harry
doesn't need to be DD's man, he needs to become his own man. I believe
Snape is on the good side, but I hope he's also become his own man,
instead of acting as a pawn in yet another DD scheme. Lupin has lost
almost everything, but he has kept his independence, and I give him
some credit for that (as long as he isn't ESE!, of course.)

lizzyben