Snape's the Rescuer - Really?/Justice to Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 170679

> Magpie:
> Yes, and I think that's the idea. There's a difference between 
Snape
> "coming across as caring" and just a scene where Snape's taking 
care of
> people, which I'm saying this is. A scene where he's putting 
people onto
> stretchers to bring them back, that knowledge that he cures Katie, 
the
> scene where he cures Draco, counter-curses Quirrel etc. There are 
no scenes
> of Snape really being a caring person, exactly (maybe Spinner's 
End a bit
> for some). Scenes where he's showing his personality is almost 
uniformly
> negative. JKR never softens him up and shows him being some kind 
of softie
> underneath.


Alla:

Okay, maybe you can explain this one to me, after all, even when we 
disagree I can often understand your POV. So, how is this scene is 
Snape caring for people?

I mean, certainly, if we saw Snape putting kids on the stretchers 
and no Black, absolutely, I will grant you that.

But Snape delivers Black to be kissed and to me to call it 
**caring** is just not that, you know?

Praising Snape for that?  I mean, sure, if he truly thinks he 
delivers murderer, I understand, but to say that Snape **cares**?

And what Lanval said, I mean how could he leave kids there?

I hope that Dumbledore would not have liked that. To me Snape in 
this scene if he is to be portrayed as **caring** would be an 
ultimate hyppocrite, Snape I mean, you know?

Colebiancardi:

<SNIP>
> But I do have to ask - where is the part where Sirius is gagged?  
And
> by Snape? The passage I have read is this:
> 
> "Snape had regained consciousness.  He was conjuring stretchers and
> lifting the limp forms of Harry, Hermoine, and Black onto them.  A
> fourth stretcher, no doubt bearing Ron, was already floating at his
> side.  Then, wand held out in front of him, he moved them away 
towards
> the castle."
> 
> PoA, Am Ed hardback, p 412
> 
> I cannot find where Snape "bound & gagged" Sirius.  Sirius was out
> cold.  Unlike Sirius's treatment of Snape, when Snape was 
unconscious,
> Snape treats them pretty good.
> 
> from same book, p 378
> "Harry went right after Black, who was still making Snape drift 
along
> ahead of them; he kept bumping his lolling head on the low 
ceiling. 
> Harry had the impression that Black was making no effort to 
prevent this"
> 
> This just goes to prove that Sirius, in his relationship with 
Snape,
> is no better or worse than Snape.  In fact, Snape is treats Sirius
> better, because at least he conjured stretchers for them, instead 
of
> the Mobilicorpus spell.
<SNIP>


Alla:

Oh man, you know what - I cannot find it either. Did I just assume 
that? ;)

Hmmmm, must run, hoping that somebody else will find that :) So, not 
saying OOOPS yet, but certainly will :)

Oh and OF COURSE Sirius does not treat Snape any better when Snape 
is unconscious.

For better for worse, rightly or wrongly Sirius treats Snape as 
enemy.

I do not think he treats him in the worst possible way one can treat 
an enemy, since I do not see him deliberately injuring Snape, but he 
definitely does not care.

I understand that and to me, truly this is much more honest, against 
rightly or wrongly than what Snape does.

What puzzles me is when what Snape does is being called **nice**, 
you know?

To me delivering one to be kissed and hoping that Dumbledore would 
not interfere is not **nice** in any way, shape or form, but very 
very cruel.

JMO,

Alla