Perjury, Dumbledore, and Right v Easy once Again (Re: Percy)

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 15 18:28:47 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 166132

Carol earlier:
> > However, it's still Amelia Bones's job to determine the facts,
which she succeeds in doing despite Fudge's interference. <snip>
> 
> Is it, or is it the job of the Wizengamot as a whole?  It depends on
the theory of law under which the WW operates.  But all that, 
interesting as it is, is beside the point.  She does, whatever her 
role -- and I am not at all sure she is actually acting as the Judge 
here or simply a particularly forceful member of the tribunal -- defy
Fudge -- who is after all her superior and could presumably bounce her
from her job -- and swing things in the right way. <snip>
> 
Carol responds:
Ah. I should have included one more quote in my original post. There
are only three interrrogators, Fudge, Madam Bones, and Umbridge:

Fudge announces the "disciplinary hearing" (not trial, BTW) inquiring
into offenses against two statutes by Harry James Potter of number
four Privet Drive, Little Whinging, Surrey, and adds: "Interrogators:
Cornelius Oswald Fudge, Minister of Magic; Ameila Susan Bones, Head of
the Department of Magical Law Enforcement; Dolores Jane Umbridge,
Senior Undersecretary to the Minister. Court Scribe, Percy Ignatius
Weasley" (OoP Am. ed. 138-39).

Percy, of course, simply takes notes. Fudge, who has taken advantage
of his position as Madam Bones's superior to add himself and Umbridge
to the list of interrogators, which would normally be the job of Madam
Bones alone (see my previous post in this thread and cf. Barty Crouch
Sr. in the Peniseve scenes in GoF), shares the questioning with Madam
Bones, who nevertheless influences the outcome of the hearing with her
remarks about the Patronus, the Dementors, and Mrs. Figg's
reliability. The other members of the Wizengamot act exactly as they
did in the Pensieve scene, listening to the evidence and voting at the
end. (Madam Bones calls for the vote but does not raise her own hand.)

So I stand by my analogy that Fudge is acting as prosecuting attorney,
with Umbridge as his assistant, and Madam Bones is acting as judge,
with a bit of cross-examination mixed in. Dumbledore, the ostensible
witness for the defense, is as close as we come to a defense attorney.
The members of the Wizengamot take no part in the proceedings except
to act as a jury and determine the outcome. (Fudge and Umbridge,
rather unfairly, act as jury members as well as interrogators, but,
fortunately for Harry and Dumbledore, are outvoted.) 

On a sidenote, Dumbledore seems to have been ousted not only from his
position as Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot but even from membership
in the Wizengamot ("in the few short weeks since I was asked to leave
the Wizengamot, OoP Am. ed. 149). He doesn't vote (though, like Madam
Bones, he certainly influences the outcome). If anyone has taken his
place as Chief Warlock, that person also took no part in the
interrogation (as DD takes no part, except to stand up in defense of
Snape, in the hearings or trials in the GoF Pensieve scenes).

Carol, who doesn't think that getting the facts straight, even on a
minor matter, is beside the point





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