LV's bigger plan / Trelawney at the funeral or not?

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 166421


Ceridwen:
> The thing for me is, Harry does notice the staff being seated.
> Since his recent run-in with Trelawney, which, as you mention, was
> an important moment in Harry's life, I think he would have noticed
> her missing.

Dana:

I can understand this reasoning too and it could very well be true
but I do believe that the numb mind would be triggered more, to think
about certain things, in the presence of stimulation than in the
absence of it. And Harry is more used to her not being somewhere than
to her presence. Her absence would be something that would register
unconsciously and what would be thought about later. More like "now
that you mention it, I indeed haven't seen her at the funeral" then
something actively thought about at the moment itself.

Ceridwen:
> This was an important funeral.  The funeral of Hogwarts'
> headmaster, Trelawney's boss; the funeral of the former head of the
> Wizengamot and the (former?) head of the International Wizarding
> (Council?); the funeral of a headmaster murdered by one of the
> teachers.  Which of the staff would dare to stay away?

Dana:
Yes, this would then be talked about in the aftermath of something
but never at the moment of absence itself.
Trelawney never mingled with the other members of the staff, so to
them in that moment it would not be strange that she would not be part of
that specific group. Only in the aftermath when it becomes known that
she indeed never showed up at all, would something actively register.
For her it would not be OOC to slip in well into the service and sit
in a back row seat.

Ceridwen:
> This was also the funeral of the man who saved Trelawney from being
> turned out of Hogwarts not much more than a year before.  It was
> her information that was at the front of Harry's mind when he and
> Dumbledore set out for the sea cave.  I think he would have noticed
> her missing.

Dana:
He would register her missing but not actively think about it in that
moment,but I do think seeing her would have triggered some thoughts
about what she said in relation to the events that happened later and
the reason he is now at DD's funeral.

Ceridwen:
> And if he didn't, someone else within his hearing would have
> mentioned something.  I can't imagine McGonagall not saying
> something
> about Trelawney's ingratitude for everything Dumbledore has done
> for her, if she didn't attend.  In my opinion, the funeral would
> have been the perfect place to set up the Missing!Trelawney mystery
> for Deathly Hallows, but it wasn't set up.

Dana:
Yes, someone else might have noticed but I can't see McGonagall
discussing her contempt about Trelawney's absence with Harry, she
doesn't know about Trelawney's encounter with Harry or that it would
be of any importance to Harry at all or even if it would be any of
his concern. Harry himself does not get time to discuss it with
anyone after the service as the MoM zeroes in on him and he has just
broken up with Ginny. Ron and Hermione also are distracted by other
things like making sure Harry does not cut them out of the loop. So,
the moment for actively registering Trelawney was missing passed very
quickly.

Ceridwen:
> I do love the idea.  I go back and forth between Voldemort making
> one last link with Harry at the end of OotP and hearing the entire
> prophecy that way, and his kidnapping of Trelawney in order to get
> that information.  But I lean more toward one last mind link
> between LV and Harry, simply because the attractive Missing!
> Trelawney subplot was not foreshadowed at the perfect opportunity
> for it to have been introduced.

Dana:
Well I do believe it was foreshadowed when Umbridge tried to remove
Trelawney from Hogwarts the previous year and DD stepped in to
prevent it, JKR makes a big scene out of it. Also Harry even meeting
her that night foreshadows the prophecy still has an active role to
play. We see that LV could not possess Harry for long in the MoM and
that the reason for it was that the power the Dark Lord knows not
made it unable for him to reside in Harry.

The encounter told us three things:
1) Snape was the one who relayed part of the prophecy to LV
2) It was his reason for remorse (or at least part of it)
3) Snape saw who made the prophecy and therefore we know there is
still an opportunity for LV to get his hands on it.

The prophecy itself has always been a part of the main plot throughout
the series. It is the reason Harry being a marked man, his parents'
death, Snape's defection, Sirius imprisonment and death, Wormtail's
betrayal, DD's choices regarding Harry and of course the driving
force behind LV's reason for wanting to destroy Harry, his downfall
and his comeback (the PoA plotline)

My self I am swinging between LV indeed being successful to get his
hands on her and DD thwarting him one last time.

Of course if LV was able to retrieve it and learn the full content it
would make him able to understand the part of him transferring his
own powers onto Harry and he might indeed find a way to bypass it but
eventually he will run into the same brick wall he found in GH when
Harry at the last moment is able to activate the Lily inside him.

The part of him that makes him truly his mother's son. The link would
then come from LV using Harry's blood and not the curse and the
transfer of power as it has been throughout the books and because he
knows nothing of this power, him knowing the prophecy in full will
eventually still not be enough to destroy Harry. Just a thought of
course but I still hope DD thwarted LV because thinking about what LV
would do to Trelawney to retrieve the memory is such a horrible
thought but I would not put it pass JKR to put it in.

Dana