Hagrid and Draco

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 168660

> Magpie:
> No, I don't think he should have been punished at all. He learned 
his lesson 
> well without that (and detention in this case from Hagrid probably 
would 
> have undermined it as it would in a similar case between Harry and 
Snape--I 
> don't think it would have changed his mind about Hagrid and 
Buckbeak one 
> bit, except perhaps to make it even worse if possible). He was 
already 
> punished by being hurt, which taught him the lesson better than 
anything 
> else would have--and we see this in canon even years later.

Alla:

Okay. So do you think Harry also should not have been punished after 
him using Sectusemptra on Malfoy? After all he was having guilty 
feelings about it, doesn't it mean that he learned that unknown 
curses should not have been used? 

Do you think Neville should not have been given that lizards or 
toads cutting detention in GoF? I mean it is a pretty safe 
speculation to make that he was hurt after breaking another cauldron 
or whatever he got his detention for?

I mean, Malfoy gets rewarded from Snape for being hurt, he is also 
shamelessly gloats that he can use his injury to gets Hagrid fired. 
Shouldn't he also be punished for that?


Magpie:
> And also Hagrid didn't present his safety precautions well to 
begin 
> with--Malfoy wasn't reading the scene in the book where Hagrid's 
line was 
> there in print with everything else. He got a comment that should 
have been 
> repeated and made clear and explained, not just thrown away 
as "don't insult 
> 'em or it's the last thing ye'll do" in a moment when he happened 
to be the 
> kid that was whispering with his friend, as kids do throughout 
class. And 
> Hagrid should have been having the kids approach the advanced 
animal 
> individually anyway, as he did with Harry. This scenario hit on 
Hagrid's 
> flaws as well as Draco's.


Alla:

I think it is irrelevant to the question whether Malfoy should have 
been punished for his mistakes. Hagrid's mistakes I mean. I think it 
is debatable whether he presented his safety precautions well 
enough. But even if he did not present them well, he **presented** 
them, Malfoy did not listen. Why should he not been punished for 
that?

I mean do not get me wrong, if Hogwarts has the program where they 
take away yearly bonuses or give warnings to teachers ( I wonder how 
much Snape would have gotten of those), I am fine with Hagrid being 
talked to by Dumbledore or whatever mentor, but I fail to see why it 
should relive Malfoy from punishment.

Would it make him feel different about Hagrid? I doubt it, if he 
felt that way about Hagrid before he even met him, but maybe it 
would have a punitive effect in his mind.


Magpie: 
> So Hagrid had a chance to learn something too on his first day. I 
think the 
> last thing he needed was to convince himself safety was his forte. 
His first 
> instinct is already to blame the victim, as he does with Ron in 
PS/SS, and I 
> don't think that would make him a better teacher.

Alla:

Well, since this victim IMO made his life hell for the whole year, I 
think his instinct was right personally.

 
> Alla:
> > At least every Saturday in the Forbidding forest would have been
> > nice if you ask me. But Hagrid is too nice for his own good.
> 
> Magpie:
> I don't think he's always too nice for his own good. I certainly 
don't see 
> this incident as proving he's nice one way or the other.

Alla:

I meant because he did not punish Malfoy.