Hagrid and Draco

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No: HPFGUIDX 168684

> Magpie:
> Sorry, I seem to like those kinds of constructions and it gets me 
into 
> trouble.:-) No, I don't think Neville should have gotten the 
detention.


Alla:

Thanks, no, I was truly confused, sorry about that. When I have to 
figure out several "no" , I sometimes am not sure what the answer is.



 
> Alla:
> > And pattern or not pattern, I think we see an example of student
> > getting the detention for something he did wrong in class. I 
have no
> > doubt that Snape was being vindictive of course.
> 
> Magpie:
> But it's presented as Snape being vindictive and weird when he 
does it. It's 
> not even normal for Snape, since Neville's melted cauldrons 
before. My point 
> of it being a pattern is that with Snape it could perhaps at least 
be a 
> question of his thinking he has to do something more drastic to 
get Neville 
> to stop doing it. It's not something that's normal to give 
detention for 
> doing something wrong in class. <SNIP>


Alla:

I do understand your point. I am just saying that if the precedent 
exists, abnormal or not, that the precedent exists that teacher can 
do that, the justification for that can be explained somehow.




 > Magpie:
> It means Snape isn't rewarding Malfoy for getting hurt. Malfoy's 
getting 
> hurt just added a different variation on Snape being his usual 
annoying self 
> to Harry and Ron.


Alla:

Eh, well this is a valid interpretation. Except we read that Malfoy 
complains that he cannot cut his roots and Snape orders Ron to do 
so, so I think mine is valid as well. What do you see in the text 
contradicting my interpretation? In fact, I think it is both - Snape 
being his annoying self and Snape awarding his pet Malfoy ( my view 
obviously to see him as Snape pet) the easier lesson, making other 
boy to work for him.


 
> Magpie:
> The lesson was to listen in class, and that he learns on his own. 
Nobody has 
> to learn to like Hagrid in class. But everybody has learned to be 
extra 
> careful and not trust Hagrid. 


Alla:

Right, I thought Malfoy's lesson that he did not learn was to be 
**respectful** to Hagrid, speaking to him as he should speak to 
teacher, NOT liking him. I do not care if he fakes such respect, 
just as I do not care if Snape fakes that he is well, can tolerate 
Harry. 

> Alla:
> >
> > I know we also disagree on that, but I think Malfoy with his
> > behaviour traumatised Hagrid a lot. Him being framed again and 
all
> > that.
> 
> Magpie:
> Actually, not so much framed this time.

Alla:

We will have to disagree on this one. Even Malfoy himself admits 
that he was **not** hurt nearly as badly as he wants to show to the 
world, I think that it is a frame up IMO.

 
> > Alla:
> >
> > Sure, but I do not think that anybody would have been very 
surprised
> > if he was punished. IMO of course.
> >
> > But again my main point is that I wanted him punished. Well, 
scene
> > with Hermione was nice as carmic justice, but I wanted something
> > more.
> 
> Magpie:
> And if Hagrid did punish him I'd love to see his class become even 
more 
> "traumatizing" for him. Because we probably find the whole 
storyline equally 
> repulsive, but for different reasons.


Alla:

Oh, I am pretty sure we find this storyline repulsive for very 
different reasons. In fact, I am assuming that since it concerns 
Malfoy, you dislike about it what I like and vice versa <g>

Feel free to correct me since this is just a guess about your 
opinions and I do not want to stay wrong if I am wrong.

I find repulsive that little snob who had an opinion about Hagrid 
before he met him, who got hurt a little bit because he did not 
listen, felt it was perfectly okay to pretend that he was hurt oh so 
much worse to make sure Bucky is dead and Hagrid is fired.

I find Hermione dealing with him to be the only satisfying part of 
that storyline.  Satisfying I mean of course in the emotional sense, 
storyline wise I am perfectly okay with it and how nicely it 
transforms in time travel, etc.  I hated how this one little twit 
with the powerful daddy  could make this huge guy so helpless, so 
desperate.  At the same time I wish I could feel more for Hagrid's 
anquish over  Bucky's possible execution. Strangely, on the hurt/ 
comfort level his anguish is a bit blah for me. Wierd.

JMO,

Alla