GoF fight between Harry and Ron (WAS:Re: On the perfection of moral)

[dumbledore11214]

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> Carol responds:
> But, but, but Harry *doesn't* tell Ron that someone is trying to 
kill
> him. That, to me, is the point. Again and again, starting with
> deciding not to tell Dumbledore that he hears a voice 
hissing "Kill,
> kill, kill!" in CoS, Harry hesitates to tell someone something
> important, in this case "[because] it would sound very 
melodramatic."
> Imagine the difference in this conversation if Harry had actually 
said
> "To kill me" instead of "I dunno," and followed up with Fake!
Moody's
> theory (actually, his modus operandi, but Harry doesn't know that).
<SNIP>

Alla:

And to me it is so **not** the point. I think that Ron should have 
trusted Harry when Harry tells him he did not do it, period. If Ron 
can only trust Harry when Harry would mention that somebody is going 
to kill him, that's not the level of trust I think should exist 
between two friends.

Come to think of it, on the top of my head, I do not remember Harry 
**ever** lying to Ron during these four years. I am sure such 
examples exist, but I do not remember them, so at least I do not 
think there are too many.


Carol:
<SNIP> 
> Ron gives his reasons for thinking that Harry is lying and why 
Harry
> would want to put his name in (the prize money, which would be an
> incentive for *him*--he doesn't realize that it would n't be for
> Harry--and no end-of-year tests). Harry gives him *no* reasons to
> believe that he's telling the truth. He simply insists that he 
didn't
> put his name in the goblet and then gets angry at Ron for not
> believing him, implying that Ron is stupid to think as he does 
(even
> though Cedric thinks exactly the same thing).
<SNIP>


Alla:

They are not people who just met, they are best friends, basically 
brothers. I think Ron should have higher level of trust in Harry 
than what he showed.

Yes, just because Harry said so IMO.

Again, this to me was the fight between friends, I certainly do not 
think that it foreshadows Ron's betraying Harry or anything like 
that.

But no, I do not think that Ron should have trusted Harry only if 
Harry gave him convincing reasons.

I did not do it should have been **more** than enough IMO.

Alla.