GoF fight between Harry and Ron (WAS:Re: On the perfection of moral)

[julie]

No: HPFGUIDX 168900

Carol:
> 
> Anyway, I'm not *blaming* Harry for the quarrel with Ron in GoF. I'm
> saying that it's an unfortunate mutual misunderstanding. Both of 
them
> need to trust each other. Ron learned his lesson. I'm not sure that
> Harry has fully learned his. He has only summarized the Prophecy, 
for
> example, not related it word for word to Ron and Hermione, and he 
has
> to be talked into letting them come with him to search for 
Horcruxes.
> And he does seem to think that anyone and everyone should believe 
him
> "because I said so," especially at the DA meeting. Sorry, Harry, but
> that's not the way life works, even in the WW. Even with your best
> friends. (And believing Harry led to disaster at the MoM, remember?
> Had Harry listened to Hermione and realized how improbable it was 
for
> Voldemort to be torturing sirius Black in the MoM, Black would still
> be alive.)
> 
> Prophecy Boy and Chosen One or not, Harry is not always right, and
> "Because I said so" is not a sufficient reason to believe anyone. 
Ron,
> his best friend who has loyally stood by him and risked his life in
> the chess game and by entering the CoS (not his fault that the wall
> fell in) and blocked his path, deserves to be told the truth.
> 

Julie:
I agree that Harry often doesn't tell the whole truth, due to
his unfortunate tendency to keep things to himself, especially
if he thinks someone will try and dissuade him from a course
he's determined to take. Harry is also not always right, and 
"just because I say so" isn't a sufficient reason to accept
Harry's judgement.

However, I am with Alla in this one instance. I feel Ron was
mostly in the wrong here. This time it wasn't about Harry's 
intepretation, or Harry hiding something that only pertained
to his own welfare from Ron. This is something both he and
Ron wished they could do, if only they were old enough. And
Harry tells Ron flat out, several times as I recall (though
I don't have my books with me at the moment) that he did
NOT put his name in the Goblet. Yet Ron steadfastly refuses
to believe him.

I do understand Ron's frustration and his initial suspicion,
since Harry often does hide things. That Ron accused Harry 
didn't bother me, but that he wouldn't accept Harry's 
repeated word did. And I did see that as more Ron's issue
in this case than Harry's. 

Julie