Family and Other Loyalty

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 177806

> Julie:
<SNIP>
> Point is, there is nothing *wrong* with JKR writing her story this 
way; it  
> is well
> within her rights as the storyteller. But there is also nothing 
wrong with  
> some
> readers feeling uncomfortable with both Hermione and Harry's  
attitudes, or
> feeling that a 16 year old girl who was being pulled by opposing 
loyalties  
> does
> deserve forgiveness and a true second chance. And there, in our  
individual
> assessments of whether the punishment fit the "crime" is where we 
will 
> continue to disagree. 


Alla:

Totally. As long as JKR **writing** the story this way is not made 
into some crazy, bizarre, evil POV, I totally understand yours.

And of course everybody has a right to argue that JKR writing this 
story this way is evil, etc, it is just something that made me 
amazed and always will make me amazed.

Because it is not as if the sixteen year old who made sure that the 
futures of so many of her classmates are at the mercy of evil person 
because of her just **has to** be forgiven and if she is not, it is 
so very strange.

I am not replying just to you, but in general to the thread and even 
in general to Marietta issue.


And yes, canon does not say that Marietta used her mother as excuse, 
but canon **says** that Marietta went to Umbridge, NOT to her mother 
and yes, that makes me think that Marietta using her mother as 
excuse is one of the valid possibilities.

> Winterfell: While there are  issues of revenge in the Harry Potter 
> novels, there is absolutely no proof  that JKR has "fun" dishing 
out 
> this revenge w/o always considering the  implications of such 
> revenge.  <SNIP> Winterfell who thinks that JKR  knows best why 
she writes what she 
> does and not us readers.   
> 
> 
> Julie:
> No doubt JKR does know best why she writes. But she has also TOLD 
us
> several times why she wrote the Harry Potter novels (for "herself" 
not to  fit
> any preconceived notions of fantasy, or children's literature, or 
anything  
> else.)
> Furthermore, she has pointed out her inspiration behind certain 
characters  
> and
> events. Snape is based on a much-loathed professor who taught her 
and  who
> refused her mother a job position. Lockhart is based on an unnamed 
real  man
> she knew and disliked. Certain themes in the books were inspired 
by the  death
> of her mother.
>  
> JKR, like all writers, puts part of herself and her experiences 
into her  
> stories.
> What's more, she's been quite up front about it. Revenge was her  
motivation
> with the characters of Snape and Lockhart, at least in part. So it 
is not  
> exactly
> a crazy leap to assume a similar motive is at play with Marietta's 
story,  
> among
> others. <SNIP>


Alla:

Eh, not as far as I remember. JKR basing Lockhart on some real 
person and Snape as well at least in part? Sure, she did.

JKR **writing** them as revenge and **enjoying** that revenge? 
Could we have quote, please?


I mean, I wrote few weeks ago that I see nothing wierd if JKR when 
she thought of the people whom she partially based Snape on ( that 
teacher I mean) may not have warm and fuzzy feelings about him.

And when she wrote a story and needed nasty teacher, she thought of 
that person.


But that's not the argument,no? It seems that Lizzyben's argument is 
that JKR wrote the novel primarily **because** she wanted to 
exercise revenge on real people and yeah, I find this having no 
support, unless we claim to read JKR's mind or she says so in 
interviews.


I say she wanted to write **nasty** characters - Snape and Lockhart 
and she wrote them. I do **not** know that she wrote them 
**because** she wanted to exercise revenge over real people.


I mean, it is often happens that writer bases some qualities of 
their characters on the real people, often such characters are 
richer for that, no?

Some of those characters are nasty. Does it mean that the authors 
who wrote villains and partially based them on real people wanted to 
exercise revenge on them? Or maybe they just **NEEDED** villains for 
the story, remembered some bad people in RL and used them partially 
as prototypes for those people?

JMO,

Alla