Sirius and Snape parallels again - Sirius' death (LONG)

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 185086

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lizzyben04" <lizzyben04 at ...> 
wrote:
> 
> lizzyben:

After 
> Sirius escaped, IMO DD was not happy, & could think of nothing 
else 
> to do but to imprision Sirius again. 

Leah: Sirius wouldn't have escaped without the Time Turner which 
Dumbledore gave to Harry and Hermione.  However, DD knew that Harry 
believed Sirius innocent and DD needed Harry.  I think DD didn't 
*set out* to imprison Sirius or anyone else.  I think we're back to 
what is the immediate subconscious reponse to needing to keep 
something secret.  And as Carol has pointed out, it works short 
term - Sirius is safe at Grimmauld Place, Snape stays teaching and 
doesn't kill himself etc. It's just those old patterns resurface...

It's interesting from this PoV to look at Dumbledore's words to 
Draco on the Astronomy Tower: '"...no harm has been done, you have 
hurt nobody, though you are very lucky [read 'I am fortunate to have 
Severus']that your unintentional victims survived...I can help you, 
Draco"'.  Yes, Dumbledore's happy to overlook attempted murder,and 
long-term grievous bodily harm inflicted on Katie Bell to get Draco 
on side. I'm just wondering whether Dumbledore used similar words to 
Sirius after the Prank, with an offer of Order membership.

 
  DD keeps creating prisons to keep 
> people "safe", & then inviting a Dark Wizard in. DD sets it up, 
lets 
> a dark wizard do the dirty deed, & ends up with clean hands - 
> although not a clean consience. 

Leah: And he's still doing it on the Tower. "Come over to the right 
side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can 
possibly imagine".  Be afraid, Draco, be very afraid.  But they're 
interrupted by the Death Eaters and then by Snape delivering the 
coup de grace.  Draco has a hard year, but ultimately he survives, 
and the fact that he and his family are not hidden away enables 
Harry to disarm Draco at the Manor and Narcissa to lie to Voldemort 
in the forest.  Thanks to Snape's silence in the Shack, Draco is not 
killed by a dark wizard, in fact one could say that on the Tower, 
Snape saves Draco not only from Voldemort but from Dumbledore, and 
thereby helps to save Harry too.


Leah  






> 
> 
> At King's Cross, DD is left wondering if he was any better than 
> Voldemort. That's way, way, more than just not telling Harry the 
> truth. Harry gives him the ringing endorsement that 
> DD "only killed people when you had to!" To which DD agrees "True, 
> true." So DD agrees that he has killed people "when he had to." 
But 
> DD never actually killed Grindewald, or Voldemort, or any Death 
> Eaters that we see. He claims not to know if he killed Ariana. Yet 
he 
> remains wracked w/guilt over the people that he has killed. So the 
> question remains - who exactly has DD killed? Hmmm? IMO it's a 
long 
> line stretching from Ariana up through Harry himself. DD spread 
death 
> & destruction on both sides as he moved the chess pieces, but most 
> often on his own.
> 
> It's sort of funny to me how in OOTP, DD carfully reins in the 
Death 
> Eaters, while seeming to be willing to toss the lives of his own 
> followers to the wind. In a way you could actually say that DD's 
> Plans were more successful in getting Order people killed than the 
> Death Eaters (Seven Potters, Godric's Hollow, Philosopher's Stone, 
> OOTP, etc.) It's almost like there's a Death Eater headmaster, 
Snape-
> like, posing as a leader of the Order. And he moves the pawns, not 
> for the eventual victory of Light, but for his own power & self-
> aggrandizement. Going to full tinfoil mode, in DH it's striking 
how 
> suddenly boring, incompetent & useless LV is now that DD, the 
brains 
> of the operation, is gone. The spider has disappeared, leaving 
only 
> the web in place for the final confrontation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> lizzyben, wondering why people don't add cute taglines anymore?
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