Manipulation in Potterverse and in general /Tigana spoilers

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 185146

 

> Alla:
> 
> Hmmm, if it was the game, which would end with them solving the last
 puzzle, I do not think he would. However, there was Voldemort there 
behind the door and if one takes a position that Dumbledore knew or 
highly suspected there was Voldemort there, well, I think it is just
disgusting that Dumbledore left three eleven year olds to go and face
 him.
> 
> And we do have Harry's words that Dumbledore let him face Voldemort 
> because Harry has a right, do we not?

Pippin:
"I think he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know.
I reckon he had a pretty good idea that we were going to try, and
instead of stopping me, he just taught us enough to help. I don't
think it's an accident he let me find out how the Mirror worked. It's
almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I could."

--PS/SS ch17
Well, we know that Harry's wrong: Dumbledore *doesn't* know about
everything that goes on at Hogwarts. Dark wizards can fool him,
everyone knows that.  The proof is that everyone knows what happened
in the dungeons in Book One,and no character that we know of thinks
that Dumbledore should have known Quirrell was possessed. That part of
the theory is full on tinfoil, IMO. 

Yes, Dumbledore was a legilimens. But Voldemort *knew* that. Voldemort
had just spent ten years hiding out in Albania because he
was afraid of the Aurors. He fled there again as soon as Dumbledore
arrived to pull Quirrell off Harry. Does it make sense that he would
have possessed Quirrell right under Dumbledore's nose if he didn't
think there was some way to conceal himself? 

I presume LV used some combination of occlumency and memory
modification to hide his presence in Quirrell's mind. After all, not
even the scar always detects him, or Harry would have been in agony
during his DADA classes. 

Sure, Dumbledore should have kept the kids out of trouble. But it's
hard to keep kids out of trouble because they do crazy things that
adults would never even think of trying.  

If the Trio thought like adults, they'd have raised the alarm as soon
as they saw the harp. That is all the proof they needed that
someone was trying to steal the stone. Harry even says as he's about
to drop down the trapdoor that if anything happens to him they should
send an owl to Dumbledore. But he doesn't think of doing that  anyway,
LOL. 

It's not that Harry doesn't trust adults, or he wouldn't be saying
that they should get adult help if he fails.  It has nothing to do
with the Mirror being down there, which he doesn't know at the time.
It's just a stupid kid idea, like turning yourself into an Animagus so
you can play pranks with a werewolf in Hogsmeade.

Pippin