Lupin's behavior (Was: CHAPDISC: DH11, The Bribe)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 180599

> > a_svirn:
> > Did Aberforth call Harry names? 
> 
> zgirnius:
> Did Harry start kicking furniture around in Aberforth's house? 

a_svirn:
It wouldn't surprise me if Harry kicked Aberforth should Aberforth 
call him a coward. 

> a_svirn:
> > And you cannot call someone a coward – nicely.
> 
> zgirnius:
> I beg to differ. Lupin was acting out of fear, and this can be said 
> nicely (or, at any rate, without resorting to insults). 

a_svirn:
Yes it can. Because acting out fear, is not the same thing as being a 
coward. Every person in existence has acted out of fear once or 
twice, at least. Even the great Harry Potter, when he panicked and 
tried to run from the Grimauld Place, because he thought himself 
possessed. Lupin's motivation here is very similar. 

> zgirnius:
> This does not bother me, because it seemed clear that Lupin had 
*not* 
> talked it over with Tonks. If his fears about the baby and the 
> relationship had nothing to do with his decision, and he was going 
> for the greater good of the wizard world, I presume he would have 
> said so. 

a_svirn:
He was doing both – acting from his personal fears about the baby and 
for the sake of the WW and defeating Voldemort. And the former was 
not Harry's business. 

> zgirnius:
> The way real people talk in conversations, in my experience, we 
> cannot conclude Harry would still read Lupin the same lecture if 
> Lupin was there with Tonks' blessing. 

a_svirn:
Of course he wouldn't. It doesn't follow, however, that he had any 
right to lecture Lupin at all, let alone to insult him. 

> zgirnius: 
> Finally, the relationship and Tonks' feelings is not at all what 
> Harry is upset about, as I see this scene. If Lupin had had that 
> discussion with Tonks, and she had blessed the idea by affirming 
she 
> can take care of her self and her mom can help her through the 
> pregnancy, this would show that Lupin had given real thought to the 
> safety of his child.

a_svirn:
I don' see it. Lupin said that Tonks would be OK. Which means that he 
had thought it over and concluded that she wasn't in any immediate 
danger. And what sort of danger she would be while staying with her 
mother and under the Fidelius protection, anyway?