Characters inconsistencies (mostly Snape's)/ Tigana spoilers

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Montavilla47:
I think it can be argued both ways, so I'm not going to actually
disagree with you. I think it depends on what you think Snape
was signing up for--and how much you think he's really changed.
<SNIP>


Alla:

Well of course. As I said before, if one thinks that Snape was a 
sympathetic character who just took a wrong turn in his life, of 
course I can see that one will not see it as a deep change. Since I 
despise Snape who signed up for being part of Voldy gang ( I mean I 
despise Snape who signed out too, but for totally different reasons 
LOL), then yes I think his change was huge. IMO of course.



Montavilla:
<SNIP>
We don't know if the Malfoys ever go from loving their
immediate family members to loving strangers. But I think
that loving one is radically different from loving no one--and
not so radically different from loving many.

Alla:

See, I don't. I was having the similar conversation with someone 
about "Tigana" that I mentioned here recently. Highly recommend by 
the way if you have not read, lots of ethical questions in that 
book :)

There is a person in that book who is shown as deeply loving father, 
so deeply loving that his grief for his son causes him to cause 
grief, pain and genocide of the whole country no less. I am not being 
sarcastic by the way, all that I wrote in the previous sentence is I 
think pretty straightforward if a bit incomplete description of one 
storylines in this book. This person is also very deeply in love with 
the woman, who came to kill him since she is one of the survivors of 
that genocide. The thing is, it does not make me think of that person 
as any less evil, you know?

Why, because this love does not make this guy to take a way the 
horrible pain that he inflicted on the citizens of the country, and 
he is fully capable of doing it, since magic is involved. The fact 
that this guy is shown as capable of loving a woman makes him human 
of course, but sympathetic, why? He is still an evil man, who 
inflicts a sophisticated psychological torture on the wonderful man 
whose only fault was to defend his country from the intruders.

And now back to Potterland. See I was not impressed at all that 
Malfoys love each other. I mean, I am glad that they became human, 
but sympathetic, not to me. I mean, no, I do think that Draco 
changed, I do not feel much more sympathy for him, but to me he is 
not evil anymore. But Lucius Malfoy? He is still the same guy who 
watched how Voldemort ordered to kill one boy and tortured another 
boy, he is still the same guy who played those games to me. So he 
loves his family. I have read about maniac who raped hundreds of 
girls when I was still in Russia and in his spare time he was loving 
father and husband. A lot of evil people love their families, so it 
is not necessarily something I am very impressed with.

Montavilla47:
Again, not a disagreement, but just a comment. Belonging to a
legitimate political party doesn't mean that you have learned to
value human life. You can belong to one without valuing human
life. Or without valuing human life to the point where it's going to
interfere with a policy that ends up killing people. <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes you can, but my initial disagreement was with your comment about 
Snape changing political affiliation without changing his character 
and to me it was something more significant than changing political 
affiliation, because even though you may belong to legit party and 
not value human life, if you belong to terrorist organization, to me 
it is a very big sign that you do not value it, period. IMO of course.

I know I am not being very clear, maybe tomorrow I can phrase it 
better, but I am just disagreeing since it sounded so trivial to me, 
just the political affiliation, to me it was a big symbol, I guess, a 
metaphor that Snipe's whole mindset changed.