Muggles v wizards redux

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 183251

Magpie:
But I didn't say that I'd necessarily run into people who would
torment me to the level of DEs. I said that I'd be treated badly
because of what I was--I consider condescension to be treating badly.
It doesn't have to be me being hurt physically or seriously zapped
with magic. Although no Wizards have a problem with zapping them with
magic that we see, if it's convenient for them.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Oh, ok. Sorry. If we are just talking about condescension I agree 
with you.

Magpie:
As I said, I don't think it has to be being tormented. Also, if
you're going to assume that as long as the Muggle's done anything to
bring displeasure to or inconvenience a Wizard, that's a pretty big
blank check for them to do whatever they want.

Alla:

No I am going to assume that as long as one person did something to  
hurt another person muggle or wizard, to certain extent it is okay to 
give the person back  same attitude ( I do not  particularly know the 
extent to which it is ok, but for example I certainly think that what 
had been done to Dursleys by Dumbledore is perfectly okay and 
appropriate)


Magpie:
<SNIP>
A good Wizard is somebody who doesn't seek out faceless
Muggles to torment. They can be condescending, manipulate them, have
no respect for them, make decisions for them and generally treat them
as inferior.
<SNIP>

Alla:

No, I disagree with some of it. I do not remember Arthur making 
decisions for muggles or manipulating them. I would say that  good 
wizard can be condescending to muggles, but that is pretty much it in 
my opinion. Now when those muggles are horrible people as well, then 
it is a a different story IMO.


Magpie:
I wouldn't be satisfied with that attitude, that as long as I behaved
as a good little Muggle and never did anything to deserve punishment
from a Wizard (and it would be the Wizard decided when I deserved it)
I'd be happy. First, because I wouldn't just assume I deserved
whatever abuse I got. And second because I could be the best Muggle
in the world and still wouldn't be treated with respect.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Well, I am not necessarily talking about being all that happy. I am 
just disputing of how badly one will be treated if one cannot do 
magic. But I also wonder why you will not be satisfied that as long 
as you do not hurt another person, nobody will touch you? I certainly 
would think that it is should be that way between wizards and muggles 
and wizards etc.

Again, I am all for getting rid of patronizing attitudes, I just do 
not buy that good guys have something more than that to improve.

Magpie:
The people at the QWC who get memory charmed, some to the point of
total confusion, the Grangers and the parents of every other
Muggleborn who aren't treated with the same respect as Wizard
parents, the many random people who are just sources of amusements
for Wizards, every Muggle who's treated as an idiot, the Muggles who
are randomly hexed to make them more docile to whatever the Wizard
wants.

Alla:

Right, well memory charms to random muggles, normally I would agree, 
just hard to do so here. When Grangers are not treated with respect? 
Are you talking about Hermione?