GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 182166

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
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> Leah:
> As to the newspaper, after the reading, Snape sits Harry at the
> front
> of the class and tells him, sotto voce, what he thinks is wrong 
with
> Harry's behavior, in terms of rule breaking and in particular,
> theft
> from Snape's supplies. <SNIP>
> so I think the newspaper reading is revenge for what Snape sees 
(not
> entirely wrongly) as Harry's thieving and lying. Yes,
> it is petty and childish, but not coming completely out of the
> blue.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Snipping rather arbitrarily, since I am responding to the whole 
> quote. Snape does not bother to find out who stole his supplies; 
he 
> just blames Harry as usual. And by the way why Harry is supposed 
to 
> wonder about legality of Dobby acquiring gillyweed? And you are 
> saying him blaming Harry for all that is not entirely wrong?
> 
> So, yes we agree that it was revenge on Snape's part, I just fail 
to 
> see how the motives you described make Snape look better, or maybe 
I 
> misunderstood you.
> 
> Snape sometimes guesses what Harry did correctly (well, not really 
as 
> we know, he just reads Harry's mind without any permission 
> whatsoever), but even when he does he is 99% wrong about Harry's 
> motives, so 

Leah:

Quick answers here, as I must get on:

(i) I was replying to Montavilla's post which said that as far as 
she could see, Snape's reading out of the article was only 
m,otivated by spite.  I was pointing out that Snape did have some 
motivation ie he believed Harry to be a thief and a liar.  I am not 
saying that his way of tackling this was the correct pedagogic 
approach. 

(ii) Since Harry has left trying to succeed in the second task so 
late, I wouldn't expect him to be checking out Dobby's supply route 
at that point.  But it is indicative of Harry's behaviour in 
general, that he is quite happy to break rules, tell lies, be 
complicit in theft etc, so although Snape is wrong in this 
particular instance, he is not exactly attacking an innocent.  In a 
Muggle school, students who acted as HRH do, stealing from a teacher,
(COS) setting a teacher alight (PS/SS), deliberately causing a 
classroom accident (COS), attacking a teacher(POA), breaking rules 
set down for their safety (POA as just one example), would certainly 
be punished rather more severely than by the odd humiliating 
remark.  As it is Snape who happens to be the butt of all the 
behaviour mentioned  above, I can't get too upset over his (amusing) 
retaliations, which have no lasting effect on the trio.  

(iii) It is of course part of the whole Harry/Snape dynamic that 
they are both wrong about each others' motives.  I don't think Snape 
actively reads Harry's mind except during Occlumency, just picks up 
vibes, or he would know more about Harry's motives.  And of course, 
he is also probably picking up vibes from the horcrux in Harry's 
head, which wouldn't help.

Leah