GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 182284


> Leah:
> Just for the record, at no time does Snape ask *DD* just to
> save Lily. 

>Alla: 
> Here is the record ( boy that took a long time to type up for such
> slow typist as me) and what I think of it afterwards. Pages 543-544
„« of british edition

Potioncat:
 I know exactly what you mean! I'm snipping parts of the canon 
because it's the rules, but I do want to respond to bits of it.

> "The- the prophecy¡K the prediction¡K Trelawney¡K"
> "Ah yes," said Dumbledore.. "How much did you relay to Lord
> Voldemort?"
„« "Everything ¡V everything I heard!" said Snape.

Potioncat:
I'm still not certain when DD learned that Snape was a DE. Or when he 
realized that the prophecy had gone to LV. But it's very clear now 
that he knows that Snape did tell LV.  Again, just not sure if DD 
manipulated the event all along. Is there anything to make us think 
DD didn't know beforehand that Snape supported LV? Also we get an 
idea that Snape knows he didn't hear the whole thing. I wonder if or 
when he mentioned that detail to LV?



> "You disgust me," said Dumbledore, and Harry had never heard so much
„« contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little.
„« 
Potioncat:
I think this is interesting and is not something I picked up before. 
Snape is already afraid, but at the contempt, he shrinks.  Is he 
starting to rethink his morals?


"Keep her ¡V them- safe. Please"
> "And what will you give me in return Severus?"
> 
„« Alla:
„« snip
>IMO The book is telling us that this 
> is exactly
> what Snape did first ¡V asked Voldemort for life of Lily and only
> Lily. And when it is failed, he came to Dumbledore to do the same
„« thing ¡V to ask for life of Lily and only Lily.

Potioncat:
Everyone had better sit down. I agree with Alla. I don't think 
there's any doubt about this. In a panic, expecting he might be 
killed---had DD ever killed a DE I wonder?--Snape comes to the 
headmaster and asks for protection for Lily. Snape didn't care what 
happened to Harry and James, and hadn't even considered the 
possibility of saving them too.

At this stage of his life, Severus is a nasty piece of work. We only 
see this one moment while he is still truly a DE. He does whatever it 
is Death Eaters do. He rushed to LV with information that would 
possibly put a child in danger. I've argued in the past that Snape 
didn't know the prophecy referred to an unborn child. Clearly the 
child's fate doesn't seem to matter much to him right now.  Yet I 
don't think Snape's murdered. In DH we see that he asked DD about the 
effect on his soul if he kills the headmaster. 

It's not what I would have expected from the young wizard who 
befriended Lily, nor of the boy on the Hogwarts Express. 


> Alla:
> What will you give me in return Severus? Huh, Dumbledore? You would
> not save Order members unless Snape will give you something in
„« return? NICE.

Potioncat:
DD would have taken care of the Potters.  He is testing Snape. He is 
offering the opportunity for redemption that was also given to Draco 
and Tom Riddle. (via Harry in Riddle's case.) Does DD see a glimmer 
of potential in Snape? Or does he offer the opportunity to everyone?

Potioncat, who started this post in the wee hours of the morning 
before work, and finished it in the late hours of the evening after 
work, and hopes it makes sense.