Prank WAS: Re: CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 184912

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Bottom line to me that no matter how harmful for Snape's health 
this
>  information could have been, Sirius could have never been hundred
> percent sure that Snape will have used it. Never, ever. 
> 
> Pippin:
> Why is the standard 100 percent? Could Voldemort be 100 per cent 
sure
> that Harry would go to the Ministry? Of course not. 
> 
>  And yet we don't say that Voldemort didn't set Harry up.    
Voldemort
> knows there are Death Eaters waiting to capture Harry and Harry
> doesn't, though he's been warned that Sirius and Voldemort can't
> possibly be there and it has to be some kind of trick.


Alla:

Excellent example, Pippin! That is I consider it to be an excellent 
example of what I consider to be a true set up and what The Prank is 
not for me, not completely anyways.

So, could you please tell me what is in Prank in your view takes 
place of Sirius being tortured in the ministry? What is the incentive 
to go to the place where person being set up will be ambushed?

Because in Voldemort and Harry situation the incentive is crystal 
clear to me - Harry is being told that his Godfather is being 
tortured.

Of course he had been warned that it **could be** a trick by 
Hermione. But nobody told him for sure, especially none of the 
adults, didn't they? But even if they did, even if he had a slightest 
hesitancy that his loved is being tortured, yes, I consider it a set 
up.

Now switch to Prank. Again, if Snape was being told that Lily is 
there, being tortured or Lily making love to James or Lily being in 
any kind of danger, certainly I would consider it a set up, 
absolutely.

I keep bringing up Lily since she seems to be an obvious choice after 
book 7, however, anything will do. How about the rare DADA book or 
Potion book? How about telling him that they want to resolve their 
business once and forever? Anything will do for me to consider this 
to be a trick in a way that I consider Voldemort and Harry situation.

But all that I see is that Snape wanting to go and Sirius telling him 
how to. I am more than happy to hold Sirius accountable for giving 
Snape that information, however I am not holding him accountable for 
**tricking** Snape. 

It is as if in Voldemort and Harry's situation all Voldemort would 
have done is sent Harry a dream of how to go to the Ministry. Bad 
Voldemort, very bad, but I would not consider it to be a set up.


JMO,

Alla