Prank WAS: Re: CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 184913

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> Alla:
> 
> Excellent example, Pippin! That is I consider it to be an excellent 
> example of what I consider to be a true set up and what The Prank is
 not for me, not completely anyways.
> 
> So, could you please tell me what is in Prank in your view takes 
> place of Sirius being tortured in the ministry? What is the
incentive  to go to the place where person being set up will be ambushed?

Pippin:
The incentive was to get proof that Sirius and the others were doing
something that would make them unworthy of attending Hogwarts or of
Lily's admiration. Since the Marauders were indeed doing unworthy
things, I think we can say they provided that incentive. I think it
was quite reasonable for Snape to be sure  that the Marauders were not
sneaking out at night to do charity work.

Of course it was not in the general case Snape's business, but then it
wassn't Harry's business to rescue people from Voldemort, either. He'd
been told in no uncertain terms  to ignore or shut out the dreams and
that the war was for grown ups. 

Alla:
 But nobody told him for sure, especially none of the 
> adults, didn't they? 

Pippin:
Just so, none of the adults told Snape that he would be in danger from
a werewolf. He'd been warned of other dangers involved in sneaking out
at night into a  forbidden area. But so had Harry.

Alla:
> It is as if in Voldemort and Harry's situation all Voldemort would 
> have done is sent Harry a dream of how to go to the Ministry. Bad 
> Voldemort, very bad, but I would not consider it to be a set up.
> 

Pippin:
Nor would I, except that Voldemort knew that there would be DE's there
waiting to ambush Harry. As a matter of fact, Voldemort did try this.
 Lucius says Voldemort thought Harry would have come before, out of
curiosity about the prophecy. If Harry had known there was a prophecy,
it probably would have worked.

If it had worked, it would still have been a set-up, IMO, an attempt
to compromise someone through deceit or trickery. If you will
acknowledge that Sirius was deceitful, that he intended for Snape to
put himself in a dangerous situation and that he had contributed
significantly to creating the circumstances under which Snape would
think he had something to gain by doing so, I really do not care
whether you call that a set-up or not. 

Pippin