Snape and Dumbledore in GoF

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 184990

> Joey:
> 1. Doesn't it seem quite odd that Snape never discussed with DD the
> problem of Moody (fake one, of course) searching his office,
> especially when he was told that it was DD who gave the orders?

Zara:
Not necessarily. Suppose Snape was less sure than he claimed that DD 
never authorized such a search. What would be the point of bringing 
it up? 

There's also the point that, based on the evidence, Snape spent the 
previous year (PoA) griping that the new DADA teacher (Lupin, an old 
Order of the Phoenix member, someone Albus has known from childhood) 
was unreliable and was likely to help out the Bad Guy. It may occur 
to Snape that Albus will not be open to a renewal of regular 
complaints about the new DADA teacher (Moody, an old Order of the 
Phoenix member, distinguished retired Auror and friend of Albus) 
seeming wonky too. At least not without better evidence than "the 
paranoid SOB searched my office." 

Especially since we learn in GoF that Moody was a skeptic where 
Snape's "return" was concerned. Thus, Moody could have searched the 
office on his own initiative, and be lying to Snape merely to annoy 
the ex-DE he dislikes and distrusts.

> Joey:
> 2. Moody has told DD that Snape was the one who told Moody about the
> Barty Crouch Sr issue i.e. the night when Harry and Krum find Barty 
> Crouch Sr in a strange condition and when the fake Moody arrives 
there 
> saying had Snape told him everything. Seems like Dumbledore has 
never 
> discussed this point with Snape.

Zara:
I am sorry, I do not understand what you think there was to discuss. 
The chronology - Harry sees Crouch Sr. He comes to the Headmaster's 
office. He is met outside it by Snape, and they argue until Albus 
shows up. Harry explains what he saw, and Albus leaves with Harry to 
investigate while Snape stays behind.

Crouch appears in the Forest and states, "Damn leg," he said 
furiously. "Would've been here quicker . . . what's happened? Snape 
said something about Crouch -"

Which is not exactly "Snape told me everything". This is important, 
because, as ALbus knows well, Snape does not know "everything", Harry 
explained more as they walked. But he does know enough to direct 
Moody to the Forest and mention Crouch.

My take from these facts is that Moody did indeed meet Snape, and 
Snape did indeed communicate the information that something was wrong 
with Crouch in the Forest. Moody would not have risked mentioning a 
random faculty member who Albus himself would know had no way of 
knowing. And the only way I can see for him to know Snape was the 
safe person to mention, was if he indeed saw Snape.

Personally, I think Snape was only being his usual delightful self in 
his argument with Harry, and had no interest in obstructing the 
investigation, so when he realized Albus was very worried about 
Crouch's appearance, he duly went to Moody and told him what had 
happened, knowing that Albus would wish his assistance (as, indeed, 
Albus did). It is also possible Moody simply bumped into Snape and 
asked him what was up in a non-specific way and Snape then explained. 
Either way, I think if Albus had bothered to check (and since Snape 
did know about Crouch, and no one but he, Snape, and Harry knew that, 
I don't see why Albus even would), Moody's story would have checked 
out with Snape.

> Joey:
> The Prince's Tale chapter gave me an impression that both of them
> always discussed all significant incidents during their one-on-one
> conversations. So, post-DH, these 2 points looked extremely unlikely
> to me. Has this been explained somewhere in canon??

Zara:
I agree that "The Prince's Tale" suggests Albus and Snape discussed 
all significant things together. I don't agree that this means we 
have been shown all such discussions of significant things. In fact, 
I can describe discussions they had, that we were not shown.

Examples: in "The Prince's Tale" Albus's portrait claims Voldemort 
believes Snape is very well informed. In Ch. 1, DH, Snape refers to 
a "source" and Voldemort knows what he is talking about. I deduce a 
conversation in which Snape and Albus discuss this source and what 
Voldemort knows about it.

Also in "The Prince's Tale", it is clear in the Ring scene that Snape 
and Albus have had a prior discussion of Draco's mission. It is clear 
that ALbus by HBP has directed Snape to leak non-essential 
information to Voldemort - we never see an instance of this, however, 
even though it is mentioned in the argument in the Forest.

We never see any discussions of Occlumency lessons between Snape and 
Albus. They existed - statements made by Albus at the end of OotP 
include knowledge about memories Snape saw (like the one of 
Rookwood). Nor do we see the communication of Snape and Albus towards 
the end of OotP (to which Albus refers, also in conversation with 
Harry).

And there are other likely conversations I could go on to list...

The memories of "The Prince's Tale" are not exhaustive. They were 
selected by Snape, in my opinion, for one of three reasons.

1) To clear Snape of crimes that might prevent Harry from believing 
him. (This would include the PS/SS scene, in case Snape thinks Harry 
still suspects he was after the Stone. And the GoF scene, to 
establish he was a spy, the Ring and Argument in the Forest scenes 
that show he was ordered to kill Albus and did so unwillingly, and 7 
Potters scenes again to show this was for Albus).
2) To prove that Snape had truly helped the good side and Harry. 
(Again, the Ring scene in which he saved Albus, also the "Always" and 
Sword scenes so that Harry would know the Doe was his Patronus, a 
real-life thing even tampering with memories could not fake - Snape 
could perhaps be remotely suspected of the ability to fake a 
memory...but to fake THAT memory, he would need to know what the Doe 
did for Harry, and no one does except the Trio and the mystery wizard 
who sent her - i. e. Snape).
3) To provide Harry with a full and frank account of Snape's 
relationship with Harry, including its roots in Snape's past 
relationship with Lily. (Hence the inclusion of facts like who told 
the prophecy to Voldemort which could just as likely be expected to 
give Hary fresh reasons to hate Snape, the unflattering fact that 
Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily, and a scene of Snape complaining 
about Harry to ALbus). This last, I believe Snape wanted for personal 
reasons.

Tons of meaningful spy conversations that don't contribute in these 
three areas, we never got to see.