Snape and Dumbledore in GoF
Carol
justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 24 23:14:31 UTC 2008
No: HPFGUIDX 184997
Joey wrote:
> > 2. Moody has told DD that Snape was the one who told Moody about
the Barty Crouch Sr issue i.e. the night when Harry and Krum find
Barty Crouch Sr in a strange condition and when the fake Moody arrives
there saying had Snape told him everything. Seems like Dumbledore has
never discussed this point with Snape.
>
> Zara:
> I am sorry, I do not understand what you think there was to discuss.
The chronology - Harry sees Crouch Sr. He comes to the Headmaster's
office. He is met outside it by Snape, and they argue until Albus
shows up. Harry explains what he saw, and Albus leaves with Harry to
investigate while Snape stays behind.
>
> Crouch appears in the Forest and states, "Damn leg," he said
furiously. "Would've been here quicker . . . what's happened? Snape
said something about Crouch -"
>
> Which is not exactly "Snape told me everything". This is important,
because, as ALbus knows well, Snape does not know "everything", Harry
explained more as they walked. But he does know enough to direct
Moody to the Forest and mention Crouch.
>
> My take from these facts is that Moody did indeed meet Snape, and
Snape did indeed communicate the information that something was wrong
with Crouch in the Forest. Moody would not have risked mentioning a
random faculty member who Albus himself would know had no way of
knowing. And the only way I can see for him to know Snape was the
safe person to mention, was if he indeed saw Snape.
<snip>
Carol responds:
I think you're forgetting that "Moody" is in the forest the whole
time. As soon as Harry leaves, he Stuns Krum and kills his father,
hiding him under the Invisibility Cloak. He watches Harry on the
Marauder's Map, sees him talking to Snape, and then sees Harry
returning with Dumbledore. He hurries back to the scene of the crime
to meet Dumbldore, telling him that his source of information is
Snape. Since this lie is plausible (obviously, Harry would have told
Snape that Mr. Crouch was in the forest acting like a madman) and DD
doesn't yet suspect that "Moody" is an imposter and a murderer, he
doesn't think to ask Snape whether "Moody" really talked to him, and,
of course, Snape doesn't bring up the supposed conversation because he
doesn't know anything abuut "Moody's" lie.
Anyway, Crouch Jr. didn't meet Snape. He only saw him on the
Marauder's Map, as we find out during the Veritaserum session.
If I had been Dumbledore, I'd have suspected "Moody's" story because
Snape would not have told another teacher about something Dumbledore
could handle himself. He'd have gone along with DD himself if he felt
that DD needed assistance. But DD still thinks that "Moody" is his old
friend, an Auror and the DADA teacher, so it's his place to be there
(whether Snape as Potions master likes it or not). He may not be fully
aware of the antipathy between them, either. He probably expects them
to trust each other because he trusts both of them (as he would have
been right to do if "Moody" had been Moody).
Carol, hoping that this post makes sense!
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