Hermione and her parents Redux WAS: Re: Wizarding Top Ten

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 188241



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> wrote:
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> > Carol:
> > I disagree, for reasons I've already posted elsewhere.
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> > I concede that she *says* that she's doing it because she thinks that they'll be tortured so that the DEs can find out information about Harry, but I think that she's mistaken (or deluding herself). She knows or ought to know LV has better sources of information (such as Wormtail, and, she would think, Snape) to tell him much more about Harry than her parents could. 
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> Pippin:
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> Wormtail hasn't lived with Harry for four years (he spent most of Harry's third year in hiding.) None of Harry's friends would confide his  "deepest fears" or "darkest secrets" to Snape, and Snape  carefully didn't use the occlumency lessons to find them out. <snip>

Carol responds:
Nor would Hermione confide them to her parents. Voldemort doesn't care about "personal stuff" once he's lured Harry to the MoM. All he cares about is Harry's wand, Harry's magical abilities, and psychological elements such as the "saving people complex" and a tendency to use the name Voldemort that he can use to find Harry or lure him out of hiding. I've already listed what he knows. It's more than sufficient to locate Harry more than once in HBP and to convince him to face LV face to face when the final conflict comes.

Pippin"
> No, I don't think Hermione's fears are unrealistic at all. She confided in her parents information which makes them a danger to her and to Harry, and thus, since the Grangers' survival may well depend on the success of Harry's quest, to themselves. <snip>

Carol:
I don't think that Hermione's fears that her parents will be tortured or killed are unrealistic, but I do think that anything the Grangers can reveal is insignificant. That, however, provides them no protection, as we've established. Getting away from England, however, does.
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> Carol:
>  How on earth would the DEs find them, especially if they changed their names, even if they could get there? 
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> Pippin:
> The DE's will find them when the Australians, who take a dim view of people entering their country illegally, deport them back to England.
> Voldemort doesn't have an army of agents looking for people who are  in Australia illegally. But the Australians do. Credentials are easy to fake, magically or otherwise. The trouble is, the police know that, so they look for other things. Nervousness, inconsistencies, all stuff that gives inexperienced liars away. Magical credentials won't solve that problem. 

Carol:
You're stepping far outside the story here. (I do think that JKR neither cared about nor thought about what would happen to the Grangers. She just wanted them conveniently out of England, so that Hermione, unlike Ron, would not be worried about her family. IMO, of course.)

Carol, who has probably made all her points on this topic several times already and thinks it's time to agree to disagree