Doing it for Lily? was Re: Snape and Harry and expulsion LONG

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 188861


> Alla:
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> Yes, I know, to me giving Harry that information pretty much implies convincing. I realize that opinions may differ on that one of course.


Pippin:
Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose that Harry got to the Shrieking Shack five minutes later, and Snape was  already dead. What would change?

 Voldemort would still call for Harry's surrender, and Harry would still be fed up with letting other people die for him. And he'd still realize that if he chose to die, he'd be able to cast a spell of protection over the other defenders, which would be their only hope, since he couldn't trust Voldemort to keep his word to spare them. The only things Harry wouldn't know about his fate were that choosing to die was the *only* way that Voldemort could become mortal, and  that it was what Dumbledore had always intended him to do.  

But since Harry would choose to meet his death anyway rather than let any more people die for him, it wouldn't have made a difference. 

Voldemort knows nothing of the memories or the soul bit, and he still expects Harry to march into the forest and get himself killed. 

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> Pippin:
> Dumbledore left it  up to Harry to decide how and when to act on it, because only Harry would know when matters were arranged "so that when he does set out to meet his death, it will truly mean the end of Lord Voldemort."
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> Alla:
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> Nope, to me "when he does set out to meet his death" means that Dumbledore already decided for him that he is indeed going "to meet his death". Sure, he left technicalities up to Harry (shakes her head) - Dumbledore kindly allowed Harry to decide when to meet his death.

Pippin:


When does Dumbledore even say that Harry has an obligation to face Voldemort? Never, IIRC. Harry derives it himself because his parents died to save him.   Does that mean it was wrong for Harry to be told how his parents died? 

Pippin