Snape and Harry and expulsion LONG

[montavilla47]

No: HPFGUIDX 188871

> > Montavilla47:
> > Wow.  If Snape isn't controlling his darker impulses to make 
> > Harry suffer already, then Snape has the weeniest dark 
> > impulses in the world.  I mean, what does Harry's suffering at 
> > Snape's hands consist of?  Some snide remarks about the 
> > quality of Harry's classwork, some digs at his celebrity 
> > status, and detentions (when he catches Harry breaking
> > rules).
> > 
> > Or maybe I'm just underestimating the suffering of a
> > sixteen year old boy who misses out on an hour of 
> > making out with his girlfriend.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Yes, I definitely think you ARE underestimating Harry's sufferings at Snape's hand, IMO of course, since your list is so very incomplete. I am really not in the mood right now to debate how much Snape really makes Harry suffer, but I can add a thing or two to your list.
> 
> How about thirteen year old who desperately wants his father to be here to hear his teacher, his teacher of all people to talk that horribly about his father, to whose death Snape contributed? No, I do not care if Snape was hundred percent right, he still had no business doing it in my opinion. 

Montavilla47:

At the time, Harry didn't know that Snape was involved in
his parents' deaths, so I don't think that could have been
part of his suffering.  But I thought I covered this incident
under "snide remarks," because that's all it really amounts 
to.  And, like Aunt Marge's snide remark about James, it's 
something that only causes suffering if you allow it to.

Harry has plenty of people who would love to praise James
to him.  If he suffers that much from hearing one or two
bad things about his father, he just has to go have tea 
with Hagrid in order to sooth his tormented soul.


Alla:
> How about Snape making Harry walk through Great Hall without letting him wash blood of his face? Yes, I think that was that much of deliberate humiliation. I can go on and on and on, but as I said, I really do not want to right now.

Montavilla47:
Didn't Harry express a desire just before then to do just
that in the hopes that people would think he'd done something
heroic--rather than be beaten up by Draco?  

I admit it's a really jerk move by Snape, but it's hardly the
worst thing that's happened to Harry that day--or that 
hour, come to think of it.  

And, as I recall, the only people who even notice Harry are 
Ron and Hermione. 


Alla:
> So, yes, I think Snape would be controlling his darker impulses if he would want Harry far away from him, safely that is.

Montavilla47:
Okay.

> 
> Montavilla: 
> > But, he's hardly the only teacher to view Harry through
> > a James or Lily filter.  Many of Harry's teachers do so,
> > notably Hagrid, McGonagall (who is probably thinking 
> > a little about James's Quidditch prowess when she 
> > pushes Harry onto the team), Flitwick (who *faints* when
> > he sees Harry in his class for the first time), and Slughorn,
> > who can't stop talking about Lily.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> He is the only teacher though to abuse Harry (IMO of course) because he views him from James' filter and while I agree about your examples to a degree, I think all other teachers get over James' filter pretty darn fast. It sure does not stop McGonagall from taking fifty points from Harry for example.

Montavilla47:
Actually, I think McGonagall is using the James
filter there.  Remember that James and Sirius were 
notorious rule-breakers in school.  It may very well
be that McGonagall is trying to nip that aspect of 
James in Harry in the bud.


> Montavilla:
> > Hagrid also seems to view Draco through a Lucius 
> > filter.  He's as rude to Draco in class as Snape is to
> > Harry.  Snape may also be seeing Lucius in Draco,
> > although I don't get that vibe as strongly as other 
> > people seem to.
> >
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Does he though? I thought Draco said enough rude things to Hagrid in order for Hagrid to view him as Draco and react the way he does.
>
Montavilla47:
Well, Draco is very rude to Hagrid.  You may be right
about that.  But I get the feeling that Hagrid's dislike of
Draco is based on more than the kid being rude.