[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore as shameless manipulator redux LONG

[ken krieger]

No: HPFGUIDX 188990

Pippin:
Are you saying that Harry wouldn't think it was a worthy
goal to save souls if Dumbledore hadn't told him it was?
That even though in King's Cross it is Dumbledore who is
desperate for Harry's approval, Harry is somehow
Dumbledore's slave and incapable of having an independent
thought?

Alla:
I think you are mixing up issues here. Saving souls is a
very worthy thing as far as I am concerned; free will as
far as I am concerned is also a very worthy thing. And I
cannot respect a leader who takes the free will away from
his subjects, no matter how worthy such goal is. <snip>

Would have Harry went back if Dumbledore did not interfere
again? Maybe, maybe not as far as I know. The fact he is
he could not keep his mouth shut and let Harry make his
own decision again. <snip>

When I reread it, it looked to me even less independent
than what I remembered.  Nowhere, not ONCE Harry says
that he wants to go back. Sure, I believe that he could
have wanted to do that, but he does not say that, does
he?  He is asking **Dumbledore** again, what he wants
him to do. <snip>

I mean, Dumbledore is looking as a little boy desperate
for Harry's approval when he wants Harry to forgive him
for a wild goose chase with Hallows is he not? Dumbledore
looks for Harry's approval in a very limited way IMO and
does not even apologize for some things that he did, to
me Harry is still looking up for his approval where it
matters. "Do you want me to go back?"


Ken:
Hi

To me Dumbledore is a seer, he knows many things that he
didn't see fit to tell Harry. So often I think Harry had
a right to know, but we don't know if Harry would have
followed through with everything that he needed to do if
he had known. We know that Harry had to die to part his
own soul from the part of Voldemort's soul; do you think
that it would have been right for Dumbledore to have told
Harry that? I don't, Harry had too many thing he had to do
first. Harry had to find and destroy all of the Horcruxes
first, I think Dumbledore knew what Harry could handle at
a given time, and chose not to overload his mind.

I also think that Dumbledore also knew that Harry would
reject the power of the deathly hallows.

Yours, Ken