Harry's alleged debt to Dumbledore and Snape WAS: Re: Chapter Discussion

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Pippin:
<SNIP>
> I don't see the naming of Harry's son as an act of forgiveness, though
forgiveness was a necessary precursor to it. I see it as Harry acknowledging his
personal debt to Dumbeldore and Snape. <Snip of pretty much the whole post>

Alla:

I have to admit that the idea that Harry owes personal debt to *Dumbledore* of all people and Snape too shocked me so that I want to make a separate post out of it. Below is the list of possible reasons Why Harry may owe personal debt to Dumbledore and of course it is a bit sarcastic, but it is at the same time not really, it is just so very unbelievable to me because I can only list the wrongs Dumbledore did to Harry and nothing that Dumbledore did FOR Harry at all.

So, what does Harry owe Dumbledore a personal debt for? For subjecting him to a life time of abuse with Dursleys? For denying him the possibility of being raised by his Godfather whom his  parents wanted  to raise Harry? In  other words for interfering and playing God with Harry's fate when nobody asked him to?

Maybe Harry owes Dumbledore a personal debt for failing to stop what Snape did to Harry even though we know that Dumbledore did not agree with Snape that Harry needed extra discipline?

There is also another possibility - Harry owes Dumbledore a personal debt for failing to stop his agony over Dumbledore deciding to not talk to him in OOP, because Voldemort may see Dumbledore through Harry's eyes? Or was it backwards?

I confess I am running out  of reasons. Of course we know that Dumbledore during years and years failed to stop Voldemort, and did not even try to tell all the WW that Tommy Riddle and that mysterious Lord are one and the same and maybe that thing alone would have helped to start his downfall, but he found convenient sacrifice in poor Harry.

Surely this is not the reason to feel indebted to him and surely Dumbledore did  not contribute to mystery of Harry's surviving?


Now strangely as it sounds and disagree with it as I may, I at least see an argument for Harry owing personal debt to Snape, after all Snape did want him to live. Now, to me the fact that Snape wanted him to live in the name of his mother does not transform into Harry owing Snape a debt. In fact I think Snape owed Harry a huge debt which was born when Snape gave prophecy to Voldemort, and of course what Snape did to Harry on regular basis to me  cancels any life saving debt Harry may have had, especially considering how vague and uncertain such debts are in WW.

However, however, having said that as I said, I can see good faith argument that Harry owes Snape a life saving debt, sure. Disagree with it but see the argument.

But Harry owing anything to *Dumbledore*? I think if Dumbledore would have stood in front of Harry on his knees for eternity he would have never paid the debt for life of pain and abuse he subjected Harry to and for death he wanted him to die.

JMO,

Alla