Cedric, Snape and carma was re: Chapter Discussion: Prisoner of Azkaban

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Nikkalmati

Several interesting ideas are presented by this discussion. I am sure there is
a reason why there are three scenes in the Shack. I agree the Shack is
significant as thhe place of Snape's death. Does Alla suggest he wanted to die
there, or is that sarcasm? Certainly James prevented his death the first time
so we see a kind of closing of the circle when it comes back around.

Alla:

Not at all, I was not being sarcastic at all. I mean, I was inferring stuff of course, but very genuinely and not sarcastically. I mean, it is a fact that Snape is not happy by being saved by James, right? It is a fact that Snape knows (whether you believe as I do that he knew it before or whether he learned that there was a werewolf there when he went) that he could have been killed, yes?

So, if those are facts, I draw the conclusion that Snape would have at least preferred to being dead rather than being saved by James? Now, of course I do not believe that he went there to commit suicide, all I am saying that the thought of being saved by James of all people may have irked him so, that if he were to choose: death or being saved by James, I think he may have chose death IMO. 


Nikkalmati:
 Alla
admits the first time Sirius may have wanted Snape to be killed - are you ok
with that? Yet it is not ok if Snape wanted to kill Lupin (which I do not
believe BTW). At this point in time Snape is as innocent as Lupin, isn't he? He
is the victim of unprovoked attacks, isn't he? <SNIP>


Alla:

Sorry I am so used to the short hand about myself being OK with Snape being killed in Shrieking Shack by now that I did not explain myself properly.  *I* as a reader would have been perfectly ok with fictional character Snape being killed in the Shack, that is absolutely correct. Of course with the disclaimer that then we would have had a different story, but yes, I think that several characters in Potterverse would have had a stronger shot at longer and happier lives had Snape died or never happened. However from that it does not follow that I think that IF Sirius wanted to kill Snape (I did not admit that that is what he did, I only admit that both inferences are equally likely because canon did not give us Sirius mindset' that night), that it makes it ok for the character. In other words, I may feel good if Snape dropped dead much earlier than he did, because then he would have never gave the prophecy to Voldemort and never tormented Harry as he did, but I of course would not think that wanting to kill another human is an Okay thing to do. Same thing that I do not think that if Snape wanted to kill Lupin it was an okay thing to do. I do not see a contradiction here, I just interjected my reaction as reader, thats all.


Do I think Snape as innocent as Lupin at that point in time? No way, again he chose to go there, Lupin did not have such choice IMO.

But do I think that when Snape is *already* in the Shack he is just as *helpless* to change anything in the course of events as Lupin? Of course!


JMO,

Alla