Occlumency VERY VERY LONG

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Jan 9 14:43:00 UTC 2012


No: HPFGUIDX 191741



> > Pippin:
> > Harry was only told not to reveal what he knew from his lessons with
> Dumbledore. When he finally realized it was everyone else's fight too, he
> realized he could ask for help in locating or destroying objects without telling
> people why he wanted it done. <SNIP>
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> See, this is IMO taking the blame off Dumbledore's shoulders and taking it where
> it absolutely does not belong. Harry took Dumbledore's words literally, how else
> they were supposed to be taking? I would have taken it exactly like that. Share
> the purpose of your quest only with Ron and Hermione, for me means exactly that.

Pippin:
But Harry doesn't take it exactly like that. Nor should he. Dumbledore is dead, and Harry is an adult in command of the mission. Harry  has the authority to decide what Dumbledore's instructions mean -- who else?

Harry doesn't have any problem asking help from Kreacher, Griphook and Ollivander and sharing information with them on a need to know basis.   

So what's wrong with Lupin and Bill?

Twice, Harry received an offer of help from a trusted, powerful wizard, and twice he turned it down, preferring instead a weaker ally whom he thought he could control. 

That sounds familiar -- in fact it's exactly the same mistake his father and Sirius made, trusting Pettigrew instead of Dumbledore to be the Secret Keeper. Harry was only lucky that Griphook betrayed him on his own account and not Voldemort's. 

Alla:
> 
> So why do you think Dumbledore told Harry to share his quest only with Ron and Hermione? Because his lessons and Harry's fight in book seven supposed to be the same thing, so if Dumbledore did mean for Harry to get meaningful help, why not to say - ask anybody from the Order for help, share it with them?

Pippin:
Actually, it's Harry who asks Dumbledore for permission to tell Ron and Hermione. (HBP ch 10) Dumbledore gives it to him, and asks Harry to ask them not to repeat it to anyone else. It would not, he says, be a good idea if word got around how much he knows or suspects about Voldemort's secrets. 

There is a danger from Voldemort to anyone who knows the secrets, but also the secrets themselves are dangerous.

Dumbledore absolutely loathes horcruxes. He is uncomfortably aware that not everyone shares his aversion for them. And now Voldemort has pushed the technology further than anyone ever has.  Not only did he discover how to make more than one, they can be weaponized. 

Dumbledore knows Harry, Ron and Hermione well enough to know they will not be tempted. But the Trio themselves have not yet learned to judge character so well. 

Pippin





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