Who knows prophecy contents?

pippin_999 foxmoth at pippin_999.yahoo.invalid
Thu Feb 24 14:43:43 UTC 2005


--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:

> Whom do you believe knows the *full* contents of the 
prophecy?  Is  there anyone besides DD & Harry who now know 
it?<

Pippin:
Let's put two and two together, shall we? Snape goes off on a 
secret mission at the end of GoF, and all of a sudden, Voldemort 
is convinced that the Prophecy is the weapon that will tell him 
how to destroy Harry. 

Suppose that was the information that allowed Snape to buy his 
way back into Voldemort's good graces? 'Seize the prophecy and 
you will be able to destroy Potter once and for all, Master! And if
it turns out not to contain the information that I say it does, then
kill me!'

Now, I think Snape knows this is a lie, which is why Snape 
agreed to teach Occlumency to Harry. He knew it would be a 
disaster for himself if Voldemort ever got his hands on the 
prophecy. Snape made a bad job of it, and eventually had to give 
up, but I don't believe the failure was intentional. He's just one of 
those people who are utterly convinced that the best way to make 
reluctant people do what you want them to do is to put pressure 
on them. (IMO, one of Rowling's goals is not only to show us that 
bullying is wrong but that it doesn't work, even when the bully's 
intentions are noble.)

I don't think Dumbledore told Snape what the prophecy actually 
says.  I can't see a need to know. But I think Snape may have 
been the one of the 'useful spies' who told Dumbledore that 
Voldemort was after the Potters and the Longbottoms, and, 
putting two and two together, has come to think this was tied to 
the prophecy.

Harry is sure that Snape *does* know something about what's in 
the Department of Mysteries and *does* think that he's special 
and important -- that's why he went snooping in the Pensieve 
after all.

But since Dumbledore says that he alone could have overcome 
the flaw in his plan (by telling Harry about his destiny) it doesn't 
seem that he thought any one else knew.

I think he is wrong. I believe James told Sirius before he died, 
and that Sirius told Lupin after they were reunited--probably 
before the graveyard scene in GoF. This is the meaning of the 
glance that Sirius and Lupin exchange before they start telling 
Harry about the 'weapon.'  


This raises the interesting possibility that Eversoevil!Lupin  
revealed all or part of the rest of the prophecy to Voldemort, 
leaving Voldemort with a dilemma: which of his spies is lying? 
For once his vaunted truthsense does not tell him. No wonder he 
wants to hear the danged thing for himself!

  Voldemort certainly acts as if he knows that only he can destroy 
Harry. In that case, his aim in trying to force Dumbledore and 
Harry to fight was not to destroy Harry but to destroy Dumbledore, 
the only one he fears.

Pippin









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